which 3 pve skill is the most useful/best ? - Guild Wars Forums

Lusciious · Jan 25, 2010, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Well like the title said, i'm having a hard time deciding on 3 pve skills to use on my N/A AP nuker .

Atm, i'm using EVAS, Necrosis and Mindbender.

which do you think i should swap out ?

ashes · Jan 25, 2010, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Swap mindbender for Finish Him!

Kumu Honua · Jan 25, 2010, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Pain Inverter is always good against Bosses/AEers.

Dzjudz · Jan 25, 2010, 10:30 PM // 22:30

I've done Legendary Guardian and I'm halfway done with Vanquishing on my E/A AP water ele.

I use You Move Like A Dwarf!, Pain Inverter and Finish Him!.

Synergy between AP and YMLAD with discord heroes is great.

Pain Inverter > PvE

I used EVAS before, but PI hits a lot harder in my experience (except of course in the Charr infested areas).

Lusciious · Jan 25, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52

yeah i'm gonna go get FH. Most likely i'll drop Mindbender for this .

Personally i prefer necrosis over YMLAD because armour ignoring damage is very nice . i only see YMLAD as a knocklock with EVAS .

The only reason i need FH is because sometimes AP gets stripped which is not nice .

EVAS + FH + option . say necrosis in normal areas, PI against bosses, YMLAD if i need a knock lock ?

Cuilan · Jan 25, 2010, 10:59 PM // 22:59

As much as I like Pain Inverter, it's a big damage but not now skill on a kill now bar. I hope that makes sense? By Ural's Hammer with Mindbender on an AP bar will mean you can keep damage up and your speed while you smash face.

Atro · Jan 25, 2010, 11:06 PM // 23:06

As a necro I run Finish Him, Pain Inverter, and EVAS [maybe YMLad], I like these three because I usually take barbs with this build and the assassin does some pretty hefty damage [also bringing a minion master barbs is crazy], Pain Inverter because it also does some pretty hefty damage, put it on an ele, ranger, or warrior and you see big popping up on ur screen like crazy and FH for the deep wound also does a good amount of damage.

Grim Aragorn · Jan 25, 2010, 11:20 PM // 23:20

technobubble=) + silencing mod > Pain inverter

Saph · Jan 25, 2010, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Pain Inverter is always on my bar. Best skill in the game imo. Other skills depend on what profession I'm using, but I use Air of Superiority and Mindbender the most.

cognophile · Jan 25, 2010, 11:39 PM // 23:39

My 3 favorite?

How about "You Move Like a Dwarf!", "Finish Him!", Pain Inverter, Necrosis, Great Dwarf Weapon, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, the Asura summons, Club of a Thousand Bears, Brawling Headbutt, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, "Save Yourselves!", "There's Nothing to Fear!", Aura of Holy Might, and Eternal Aura.

On N/A with Assassin's Promise, I'd take "You Move Like a Dwarf!", "Finish Him!", and Necrosis.

Wyndy · Jan 25, 2010, 11:43 PM // 23:43

pain inverter, necrosis, evas.

chowmein69 · Jan 26, 2010, 12:11 AM // 00:11

I use Sin support , finish him and you move like dwarve

HigherMinion · Jan 26, 2010, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Three Favourite PvE skills:

By Ulral's Hammer! The damage is great, and good synergy in teams with players that sacrifice and infuse, etc. And AP of course.

Great Dwarf Weapon. Best Weapon spell ever; if spammed constantly on different physicals on your team, you'll be dealing 2x or 3x as much damage as a fire nuker, not to mention the knockdown effect is lol.

Mindbender. I get bored easily. I hate 2s> casting spells. <3 Mindbender!

Faure · Jan 26, 2010, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by _december

I use Sin support , finish him and you move like dwarve

This+ barbs/mark of pain imo.

Tenebrae · Jan 26, 2010, 12:42 AM // 00:42

YMLAD + EVAS/Techbabble + FH/PI for the N/A AP caller/Nuker.

karlik · Jan 26, 2010, 01:08 AM // 01:08

pain inverter, ebon van sniper, you move like a dwarf.

ac1inferno · Jan 26, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

For N/A AP Nuker, definitely [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] and [["Finish Him!"]. Those two and the last one is optional:
- [[Mindbender]
- [[Technobabble]
- [[Great Dwarf Weapon]
- maybe even [[Sunspear Rebirth Signet]

Xenomortis · Jan 26, 2010, 01:37 AM // 01:37

EVAS is pretty much a core part of my N/A AP-MoP build and so never leaves the bar. The remaining two PvE slots goes to 2 of:
YMLAD, Finish Him, Mindbender, By Ural's Hammer.

If I'm H/Hing I typically take YMLAD and Mindbender. The former is a useful utility knock-down in case my called target tries to run away and Mindbender helps speed up casting times (especially for Barbs).
BuH increases MoPs damage into the 50s and hence is a sizable boost to your total damage output.
Finish Him is basically a spike to make sure the target dies when you put AP on them.

You can take Technobabble if you really want the dazed to deal with casters. I've never really bothered with it but it might be worth a try when H/Hing if HM Eles prove annoying.

With AP, Necrosis is pretty much inferior to YMLAD and Finish Him. It disrupts your casting and the damage is really only something on the side that won't speed things up by a great degree. It has no utility function either.

If you need Pain Inverter then you're doing it wrong.

Lord Dagon · Jan 26, 2010, 02:16 AM // 02:16

i gotta say EVAS, PI, and By urualls hammer.. best damadging skills in the game i think.

Lusciious · Jan 26, 2010, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

EVAS is pretty much a core part of my N/A AP-MoP build and so never leaves the bar. The remaining two PvE slots goes to 2 of:
YMLAD, Finish Him, Mindbender, By Ural's Hammer.

If I'm H/Hing I typically take YMLAD and Mindbender. The former is a useful utility knock-down in case my called target tries to run away and Mindbender helps speed up casting times (especially for Barbs).
BuH increases MoPs damage into the 50s and hence is a sizable boost to your total damage output.
Finish Him is basically a spike to make sure the target dies when you put AP on them.

You can take Technobabble if you really want the dazed to deal with casters. I've never really bothered with it but it might be worth a try when H/Hing if HM Eles prove annoying.

With AP, Necrosis is pretty much inferior to YMLAD and Finish Him. It disrupts your casting and the damage is really only something on the side that won't speed things up by a great degree. It has no utility function either.

If you need Pain Inverter then you're doing it wrong.

I see how we use FH proper to ensure AP doesn't get removed and therefore, it is a core skill in a generic AP build .

So, FH is a 100% must have .

Well necrosis is might lighter on the energy and have a faster recharge .

what do most people use YMLAD for ? the KD ? or just to help trigger something ? When i tried using YMLAD (spamming whenever AP recharges it) instead of necrosis, i ran into quite a bit of energy problems even though i've 11 in soul reaping .

What i have in mind atm is EVAS, FH! and Mindbender.

Mindbender simply because barbs takes too long to cast and with that 50% faster cast speed, you can easily squeeze a 3/4 cast time of AP into someone whos about to die .

i like EVAS because sometimes minions die too easily to the AoE damage . I need that extra physical from somewhere including the 2-3 physical henchmen that i bring (usually 2 rangers) .

Do you guys prefer Mindbender or YMLAD ? Why ?

I don't see a need for technobabble when PI does the job much faster . killing the eles .

Jan 25, 2010, 10:22 PM // 22:22	#1
Lusciious Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM Guild: Order of [Thay] Profession: N/	which 3 pve skill is the most useful/best ? Well like the title said, i'm having a hard time deciding on 3 pve skills to use on my N/A AP nuker . Atm, i'm using EVAS, Necrosis and Mindbender. which do you think i should swap out ?

Jan 25, 2010, 11:39 PM // 23:39	#10
cognophile Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: USA	My 3 favorite? How about "You Move Like a Dwarf!", "Finish Him!", Pain Inverter, Necrosis, Great Dwarf Weapon, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, the Asura summons, Club of a Thousand Bears, Brawling Headbutt, Ebon Battle Standard of Honor, "Save Yourselves!", "There's Nothing to Fear!", Aura of Holy Might, and Eternal Aura. On N/A with Assassin's Promise, I'd take "You Move Like a Dwarf!", "Finish Him!", and Necrosis. Last edited by cognophile; Jan 26, 2010 at 12:11 AM // 00:11..

Jan 25, 2010, 10:28 PM // 22:28	#2
ashes Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Beertown ;P Guild: RoP Profession: E/Mo	Swap mindbender for Finish Him!

Jan 25, 2010, 10:29 PM // 22:29	#3
Kumu Honua Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2008	Pain Inverter is always good against Bosses/AEers.

Jan 25, 2010, 10:30 PM // 22:30	#4
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	I've done Legendary Guardian and I'm halfway done with Vanquishing on my E/A AP water ele. I use You Move Like A Dwarf!, Pain Inverter and Finish Him!. Synergy between AP and YMLAD with discord heroes is great. Pain Inverter > PvE I used EVAS before, but PI hits a lot harder in my experience (except of course in the Charr infested areas).

Jan 25, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52	#5
Lusciious Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: I'm from Singapore but i live in Shanghai ATM Guild: Order of [Thay] Profession: N/	yeah i'm gonna go get FH. Most likely i'll drop Mindbender for this . Personally i prefer necrosis over YMLAD because armour ignoring damage is very nice . i only see YMLAD as a knocklock with EVAS . The only reason i need FH is because sometimes AP gets stripped which is not nice . EVAS + FH + option . say necrosis in normal areas, PI against bosses, YMLAD if i need a knock lock ?

Jan 25, 2010, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#6
Cuilan Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2008 Profession: Me/	As much as I like Pain Inverter, it's a big damage but not now skill on a kill now bar. I hope that makes sense? By Ural's Hammer with Mindbender on an AP bar will mean you can keep damage up and your speed while you smash face.

Jan 25, 2010, 11:06 PM // 23:06	#7
Atro Miss the good ol' days Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Where don't I live? Profession: A/	As a necro I run Finish Him, Pain Inverter, and EVAS [maybe YMLad], I like these three because I usually take barbs with this build and the assassin does some pretty hefty damage [also bringing a minion master barbs is crazy], Pain Inverter because it also does some pretty hefty damage, put it on an ele, ranger, or warrior and you see big popping up on ur screen like crazy and FH for the deep wound also does a good amount of damage.

Jan 25, 2010, 11:20 PM // 23:20	#8
Grim Aragorn Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: A/	technobubble=) + silencing mod > Pain inverter

Jan 25, 2010, 11:31 PM // 23:31	#9
Saph Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2009 Profession: R/	Pain Inverter is always on my bar. Best skill in the game imo. Other skills depend on what profession I'm using, but I use Air of Superiority and Mindbender the most.

Jan 25, 2010, 11:43 PM // 23:43	#11
Wyndy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in the know Guild: Chronic Chaos Profession: N/Me	pain inverter, necrosis, evas.

Jan 26, 2010, 12:11 AM // 00:11	#12
chowmein69 Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2007	I use Sin support , finish him and you move like dwarve

Jan 26, 2010, 12:19 AM // 00:19	#13
HigherMinion Forge Runner Join Date: May 2008 Location: East Anglia, UK Guild: Order of [Thay] Profession: N/	Three Favourite PvE skills: By Ulral's Hammer! The damage is great, and good synergy in teams with players that sacrifice and infuse, etc. And AP of course. Great Dwarf Weapon. Best Weapon spell ever; if spammed constantly on different physicals on your team, you'll be dealing 2x or 3x as much damage as a fire nuker, not to mention the knockdown effect is lol. Mindbender. I get bored easily. I hate 2s> casting spells. <3 Mindbender!

Jan 26, 2010, 12:42 AM // 00:42	#15
Tenebrae Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Spain Guild: LHV Profession: R/N	YMLAD + EVAS/Techbabble + FH/PI for the N/A AP caller/Nuker.

Jan 26, 2010, 01:08 AM // 01:08	#16
karlik Banned Join Date: Sep 2009	pain inverter, ebon van sniper, you move like a dwarf.

Jan 26, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21	#17
ac1inferno Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Boston Guild: We D Shot Your Stances [GODS] Profession: A/W	For N/A AP Nuker, definitely [[Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support] and [["Finish Him!"]. Those two and the last one is optional: - [[Mindbender] - [[Technobabble] - [[Great Dwarf Weapon] - maybe even [[Sunspear Rebirth Signet]

Jan 26, 2010, 01:37 AM // 01:37	#18
Xenomortis Tea Powered Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Profession: N/	EVAS is pretty much a core part of my N/A AP-MoP build and so never leaves the bar. The remaining two PvE slots goes to 2 of: YMLAD, Finish Him, Mindbender, By Ural's Hammer. If I'm H/Hing I typically take YMLAD and Mindbender. The former is a useful utility knock-down in case my called target tries to run away and Mindbender helps speed up casting times (especially for Barbs). BuH increases MoPs damage into the 50s and hence is a sizable boost to your total damage output. Finish Him is basically a spike to make sure the target dies when you put AP on them. You can take Technobabble if you really want the dazed to deal with casters. I've never really bothered with it but it might be worth a try when H/Hing if HM Eles prove annoying. With AP, Necrosis is pretty much inferior to YMLAD and Finish Him. It disrupts your casting and the damage is really only something on the side that won't speed things up by a great degree. It has no utility function either. If you need Pain Inverter then you're doing it wrong.

Jan 26, 2010, 02:16 AM // 02:16	#19
Lord Dagon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE] Profession: E/Me	i gotta say EVAS, PI, and By urualls hammer.. best damadging skills in the game i think.